2022/3/14

各種產品的foundry製程






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  • Panel Driver
    • HD Large size TFT LCD Driver IC (8"): 200-300nm
    • FHD/ UHD Large size TFT LCD Driver IC (8"): 110-160nm
    • UHD Large size TFT LCD Driver IC (12", high-end): 55-90nm
    • Mobile TDDI Driver IC: 55-90nm
    • HD TDDI Driver IC (smartphone): 55-110nm
    • FHD TDDI Driver IC (smartphone): 40-55nm
    • AMOLED Driver IC: 28-40nm
    • OLED要最高級的製程






  • Other 8" Logic
    • Audio Codec IC: 110-300nm
    • CIS:  110–280nm
    • DDIC(Large Size): 110-300nm
    • FoD (Fingerprint-on-display, 8" ) 180nm
    • LED driver IC: 300–500nm
    • MCU(Automotive): 150-300nm
    • MOSFETs: 110-300nm
    • NOR Flash: 100-180nm
    • PMIC (8"):  110–280nm
    • Retimer/redriver IC (Parade, Phison): 110-180nm
    • T-cons (8" low-end):  110-180nm
    • TPM  ICs:  110–280nm
    • USB Controller: 110-180nm, 250nm-500nm
  • 最近市場PMIC需求激增, 相對排擠其他客戶產能. foundry廠考量價格與毛利跟客戶協調分配產能 
  • 價格來說MCU最高mosfet最低, DDIC居中, retimer/ redriver相對高價.






  • 12" Logic customer
    • NOR Flash (high density): 55–90nm
    • T-cons(Parade, 12" high-end):   22–90nm
    • LCD/ OLED DDIC (smartphone): 28-55nm
    • CIS (Sony, GalaxyCore, Omnivison):  22nm, 55nm, 90nm, 110nm
    • TPM  IC:  40–60nm
    • PMIC(12"):  55–90nm
    • Retimer/redriver  IC(Parade, Phison): 110-180nm
    • USB Controller (High-end): 28–90nm
    • MCU:  40–90nm
    • Memory controller IC: 28–40nm
    • CPLD (Lattice): 22-28nm
    • FPGA (Altera, Xilinx): 22-28nm and below
    • BMC (server信驊): 28-60nm
    • WiFi IC: 14-55nm
    • CPU/ AP/ GPU: 14nm and below
  • DDIC是12"最便宜的東西之一, 但是也是漲價漲翻天.
  • 漲價的因素除了產能競爭之外, 考慮到客戶需求, 以及庫存, 似乎還是回到價格問題, 只能以價格彙整所有的前因後果.



  • 還需多做考慮的是
    • 產品什麼時候往下提高製程, 考量成本與效能, 有無新需求, 整合新功能
    • 與其他製程的消長, 例如10nm在台積很快就消失, 卻沒有人細問, 而28nm卻很長壽.
    • 文中提到CIS與TDDI製程強碰, foundry開心因為分散風險, 客戶擔心因為重疊到嗎.
    • 還是有很多人是自己有fab(IDM), 製程選定的商業邏輯可能與foundry相異.





Source: 1






2022/2/22

Intel 2022 Analyst day






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  • Datacenter and AI Group, Sandra Rivera
  • Intel 3rd Gen Xeon (Ice Lake); 1Mn+ shipped In 4Q21.
  • Next Gen Xeon (Sapphire Rapids), Intel7 P-core, 2X performance vs NVDA A100 GPU.
  • Intel 3 2024 Granite Rapids/ Sierra Forest P-core E-core, 感覺又是要底累的前哨戰
  • Datacenter, mid-high single digit 2021-2023/ mid-teens 2023-2026.
  • DCAI TAM$30B->$65B
  • 上面表示沒有台積的東西






  • Alchemist出貨2022要達4M
  • 2H22要有一個Sapphire Rapids HBM, 搞不清楚為何又算在這部門, 以為都是GPU.
  • 成長率最快的一個部門





  • Intel 16(exitsting IFS)的rev長大緩慢, leading edge示意圖顯示謎之成長率.
  • IFS新製程可提供服務的時間, 投影片上看來是跟自家新產品用的製程時程相同, 但預期到時會因良率不佳導致產能分配出狀況, 類似情形三星時常上演.
  • Tower 0.5um-45nm, rev大概是聯電的1/4, 台積的1/40.
  • Mobile eye反而沒給成長數字








  • 第一張左圖奇怪的說詞for both IDM and IFS, 類似ubereats幽靈廚房多做一個生意的概念嗎? 2025開始IFS專用的產能.
  • 中圖為何一直強調offset
  • 右圖台積也是最近提高capital intensity
  • Shell space可以折舊20年
  • Smart Capital: 先建殼, 再依需求增加設備. modularly add capacity to the infrastructure; flexibly expanded with demand.
  • Offest就是可以拿錢的, 一直強調資本支出不會花那麼多
  • 第三張圖顯示2022-2026外包產能量會固定, 沒有增加
  • 第四張圖中間, 2026產能+50% vs 2021





  • FCF的討論







  • FCF現在沒有到20%依然是付的, OPEX grow at lower rate, working capital討論的是庫存管理
  •  Investment grade似乎真的重要
  • 真的是說EPS Accretive








  • FCF 20% of revenue, 說是ROIC很高, 業內優秀比例.

  • CCG主流產品, N3預計TSMC
  • 所謂hybrid跟dis-aggregated差別在哪






  • IFS客戶有Cisco






  • AXG
    • TSMC N7/ N6/ N5…
    • Intel ARC Alchemist, 1Q NB, 2Q DT, 3Q workstation. 4M units 2022
    • Sapphire Rapid HBM, 4X band width, sampling today, production 2H22







  • EUV Intel 4開始做
  • Intel 7 now in production, first product shipping in volume. 12th Gen Intel Core (Alder Lake)
  • Intel 4
    • Manufacturing ready H2 2022
    • Meteor Lake/ Custom ASIC networking client
    • First use of EUV
    • 2022: Meteor Lake CPU tile production stepping tape out (H2)
  • Intel 3
    • Manufacturing ready H2 2023
    • Future Xeon data center
    • 2022: lead product test wafers running in fab (H2)
  • Intel 20A
    • Manufacturing ready H12024
    • Future Product client
    • Introduction of RibbonFET & PowerVia
    • 2022: IP test wafers running in fab (H2)
  • Intel 18A
    • Manufacturing ready H2 2024
    • Future Product Future Xeon Foundry Customer
    • Data center client
    • Up to 10% improvement in performance per watt
    • Ribbon innovation for design optimization, line width reduction
    • 2022: foundry customers' test chips (HI); first IP shuttle (H2)






  • Sapphire Rapid EMIB
  • Meteor Lake Foveros




source: Intel.com











2022/1/26

南亞科法說

 -    為何毛利沒落底還可以說報價要漲, 因為其他人買你不買就被邊緣化, 所以還是以記憶體報價走勢為主.

-    算下來loose share大家沒發現嗎?

-    其實也不用當到最厲害的人, 加減賺, 股票會漲就好

-    現金流量表, 4Q22 OP cash是不是有問題